Orcs of the Red Blade

On the 6th the next expansion will be unveiled ( as announced here http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/blog/19841681/new-world-of-warcraft-expansion-unveiling-at-gamescom-2015-live-stream-august-6-29-07-2015 )
What are your thoughts? What'll it be? I'm expecting that it can be something with water. We've begun something with the garrison, and the harbor. Wouldn't be a major step to a personal ship being your 'base' or similar.
So perhaps Azshara (who have been a theory before almost every expansion, admittedly) and Naga. I'm also hoping to see something more to be done with crafting... WoD crafting just sucked in my opinion.

So, what are your thoughts and hopes?

My hope is for the 'leaked' abyss thing, with azshara/prophet zul as enemy's, and the player using ships.

its an excuse to make a pirate orc and return.

Would be cool if we finally got to deal with the Legion. Probably not going to happen though.

Quote from: Srelok on July 29, 2015, 10:53:51 PM
Would be cool if we finally got to deal with the Legion. Probably not going to happen though.

It will come, and wrathion will be key to it. I recall there being a small spoiler somewhere about he intends to defeat them.

Soon

Tbh, I kinda hope for a new class, like shadow hunter/demon hunter/spirithealer or somesuch. Or orc druids, for those who're into that :p

Orc priests with fully supported 4th role to the holy trinity dps/heal/tank called support. The new class for this role bard..... And playable mother flipping  Murlocs.


and a snack.



Sooon

Maybe they fill my longtime dream and remove warrior class from gnomes!

I honestly don't care what expansion it'll be, as long as it's better than warlords of garrisons.

I'm just wondering how Thrall will save the day this time around, and what kind of moral lesson he and his trophy wife has for us this time.

I kinda want to defeat the legion and old gods though the power of Anduin's and Wrathion's love.  Thrall will disappear up his own arse and though these events Orcs will be priests somehow cause reasons... Varian will finally get rid of the silly anime hair get an adult haircut fitting for a man near 40.

I know what we get!!


Ridable Old Gods and Legion hounds!

rideable orc priests


soon

Quote from: Rashka on July 30, 2015, 11:25:54 AM
I honestly don't care what expansion it'll be, as long as it's better than warlords of garrisons.

Now with 20% more Ashran!

The leaked thing would be neat, certainly wouldn't mind hearing more about that! Yet I'm not too fussed, but a new class would be cool, certainly prefer a new class/new class and race combinations than more races.

Orc priest/pally :D
Or maybe a new class indeed.

Here's my wishlist in no particular order!

Orc priests (I just like orcs... could be interesting)
Orc druids (I want a druid... but I don't like tauren or trolls...)

Make beastmastery hunters melee instead of ranged. More of a playstyle change and would be cool to be able to fight in melee with your pet (like say Rexxar)
It'd be a unique thing and allow the hunters to actually use all those melee weapons they can equip. They even had melee abilities before. It'd also fit a light skirmisher archetype with mail armor.
I know some of you like their ranged BM spec, I just personally feel it'd fit better with that one being melee then any of the others.

Now for rogues...
a 4th spec, for tanking. Swashbuckler, bring back Ghost strike and add some other tanking tools, dodge being their main thing. Rogues already got several cooldowns and things that could be used for tanking.

Change either sub or assassination to be ranged, I just love the idea of a ranged stealthclass (more then just hunter camo) make it a little less stun-y and give it some other tools, using crossbows and bows. Heck, give it onehanded range weapons to dual weild. Guns and hand crossbows! probably hell to balance, but I just love the idea.

Sword mages! Let them fight in melee, throwing spells and striking with a flaming sword and stuff! Mostly stuff...

I'd like to see more fun stuff done with spears, I'm a big fan of spears as a weapon and I just feel that there's so little being done with them in WoW, which is a shame. Give warriors javelins to throw on a cooldown before pulling out a sword and charging in. Heck, give hunters some good spears and some new animations with it and let them melee!

As much of an orc fan as I am, I'd love to see the other races get their time in the spotlight. Trolls, Forsaken hordeside could do with some more! Nelves and Worgen on alliance side could be fun too.

For some RP gear things, I'd love to see bandages for more spots. Have a sling for the arm go in the weapon slot, hanging your arm in a sling. Bandages for the head, and the legs! I loved when they introduced the chest bandages and would love to see more.

Transmogging to 'lower' tier armor. Like letting leather be transmogged to cloth, and plate to mail. Perhaps at least to begin just one step down at the most. So we don't have too many dress wearing warriors running around.

I wouldn't mind some type of banner on your back, as blademasters have either. Even though I don't play one.

I don't really care too much about the setting, I just want to have more content then WoD offered. Dailies like in Krasarang, unlocking story would be awesome. The pure grind rep grinds without objectives that WoD had was just meh... I wasn't arsed grinding a single rep to exalted.
I'd like more outdoor content in general. In all honesty MoP was one of my favourite expansions, there always felt like there was something you could do.

Crafting... I actually miss vanilla crafting, where you hunted a whole bunch of materials to make things. Just using 10 of the normal ore to craft something feels empty. I want crafting to feel like you're doing more then clicking a button to do it. Like it means something again. Perhaps I'm just looking at it through rose tinted goggles, but I would at least like to see a crafting overhaul...

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1831516-Expansion-CONFIRMED-LEAK!?p=35243063#post35243063 completely legit.

...Better than WoD, at least, Sre.

I could actually believe that..Until I saw "gul'dan flying on a unicorn"

Especially the part where locks and priests got wrapped into one, same as hunters and rogues. XD

I want gul'dan on a unicorn. dag nabbit

I'm honestly disappointed. I think they should've done a South Seas xpac before going into this. Not to mention AU Gul'dan is still a thing.

Hahaha, well what would you expect?

They are on the roll with the legion stuff and Blizz is nothing if not predictable.

It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for this recreating legendary artifact shit.

The Shards of Frostmourne have been taken up and are being kept for safekeeping, aren't they? Besides, has Blizz forgot that Frostmourne was fucking cursed? Not to mention this Ashbringer and Doomhammer stuff.

I am slightly disappointed in myself that I am excited at this; although I wish Demon Hunters weren't Belf or Nelf only. I am honestly addicted when they can roll out this crap, and I still want to give them all my money for it.

PvP prestiging. Welcome to Call of Duty: WoW.

I actually like this expansion concept way more than WoD. Demon Hunter as a class, Illidan back, Broken Isles (waited for this for so long), Tomb of Sargeras (same as broken isles), Viking/Valkyr stuff, more druid lore, Class halls.. so much cool stuff.

There's plenty of stupid to be found here still, but at least there's less stupid than I felt radiating from WoD ever since its first reveal. I'm feeling more for this one than WoD, and it doesn't even have any orc shenanigans to pull me in.

Something interesting nobbel87 pointed out on his stream, it's almost like the Emerald Nightmare raid completely disregards the Stormrage book.

So, a lot of stuff here is things I wanted when Cata was released. Some is stupidity. (Like the "artifacts").

The "You are the leader for the class order" is right-out stupid from an immersion PoV. Every player will be the leader of every other player taking orders from quest giving NPCs.

But more nagas, more burning legion? I'm for it.

And I have a soft spot for demon hunters from WC3 multiplayer.

Quote from: Lars on August 06, 2015, 09:41:35 PM
The "You are the leader for the class order" is right-out stupid from an immersion PoV. Every player will be the leader of every other player taking orders from quest giving NPCs.

Was already the case with being the commander of "the garrison" in Draenor as well. Arguably as being "the hero" through questlines in MoP and the like as well. I guess it's just a requirement for every MMO nowadays to have every single player feel like the big shot.

the big hero/general style never works in mmos in my opinon. heroes don't collect 15 bear arses for a random dude, as they head to defeat the epicly evily evil thing of doom that threatens life as we know it. so long we get rewarded for it, with pants or gold. the power fantasy big hero stuff only works in single player games. I just wish blizz would let us be small greedy sociopathic cogs in a big machine again.




...and let orcs be priests

My biggest problem isn't "the hero doesn't collect -whatever-" Can do that. Maybe he needs to prove herself for a new person who doesn't trust rumors.
It's that everyone can't be the chosen one. Everyone can be a hero, but not the hero. The reason I liked the first ~25 levels of GW2. You were just a hero making a name for yourself. Then... it went downwards. Some races were less this than others.

SWTOR was the worst and started on "Y U SO SPECUIUL SNOWFLAKE!" ... and then grew even worse. (Even if I enjoyed the storylines, I just couldn't immerse in them as MMO story).

...A thought just occured to me... *looks at Krogon* You bastard, you predicted this without meaning to predict it. When you were giving that lesson on Fel to Umaua and Shasrosan whilst Gashuk and Rhonya were doing their Ritual stuff, and we had that talk about dealing with the Legion, invasions of Azeroth...

But anyway, back to expansion chattings... I like the idea of the Class Hall stuff, since we sort of had an open world version of that with Monks and their levelling hub back in MoP. I just hope it doesn't become too... gimicky if you know what I mean? And on the Artifact stuff, as far as I'm concerned, that's gonna be one of the actual lore characters when it comes to writing up the lore. For instance, the Frostmourne shard swords, I can see being Darion Mograine, with Tirion as the Paladin since, er, well... HE'S THE GUY WITH THE ASHBRINGER! And of course Thrall with the Doomhammer, and so on and so forth down the list.

In regards to my characters with these things, I'm just gonna go with the rule of thumb that we've had when it comes to the Gorehowl transmogs and such, and say that its just something that looks similar... and with the way we can modify how they look as we progress with them? That could genuinely be a thing.

As for the Demon Hunters... <3 Fits in so well with the natural progression of one of my nelf characters, and plus... with how they're starting zone/lore is set up, makes sense they're only Belf's/Nelfs atm... as time goes on, it could maybe open up to more races and such, but for now <3

And of course, we get an expansion where Orcs are not the primary focus :3 Bit weird saying that in an Orc RP guild site, but gotta admit with all the Orc Orc Orc Orc Orc mantra going on in the last couple of expansions, its nice to get some breathing room from the green/brown skinned menaces :P

I think it's nice Nelf lore gets expanded on.

And Demon Hunter, yes please. Wanted one since day 1 of TBC. XD

I am with Grek on the legendary stuff.

Replicas would make sense since...people like to emulate. So as long as none comes claiming "This is the Ashbringer!" and totally fine with it.

Just like the hammer Uma has, its Sulfuras, but I never play it as sulfuras for IC it is not Sulfuras.

Honestly, for once I don't give five cents about the lore, just I'll have fun that expac. WoD really made me wanna quit wow so.

Hello Kitty Adventure?  :P

But well. I am one of those persons who play pretty much just for the RP and if the world turns stupid or ridiculous...I loose my interest.

Then, thats just me.

I am just happy that people on mmo champion won't be rabidly posting wanting a damon huntard. the near foaming at the mouth fanatical zealoty of their posts over the last few years has been amusing and troubling.   Not sure what they'll post now.  Could this be the beginning of the end for mmo champ?

At this point, my interest in the ex-pac beyond the inevitable 'resub for a month, level to 110, unsub again' phase is completely down to the endgame. WoD neglecting PvP whilst offering little beyond grinding mobs for rep, Apexis dailies and mission tables meant I was only playing WoW for the RP -- 6.2 brought new rep grinds, Apexis dailies and a new mission table, which wasn't fixing the problem.

Dailies with storyline progression like 4.2, 5.1 or 5.2 would be most welcome. The PvP revamp seems alright, but I hope it's accompanied with additional BG or Arena content. And for the love of God, don't give me more reps locked behind mindless mob grinds.

The large proportion of screenshots at the conference as opposed to concept art, combined with the late 2015 Beta date would suggest it's already quite far along, which is nice. They just need to stay the course instead of pulling a WoD and redoing half of the expansion's zones and storylines during the test phase.

Ark.

Don't worry. They'll start whining about something else soon. Like a full engineer class or something else. They'll always whine and foam from the mouth. That's what rabid internet animals do.

I honestly don't really understand the majority of the whines about Legion; to me, it seems like the logical sequel to Warlords and the first xpac -ever- to be a direct story sequel/continuation, which is rather epic in my opinion.

Being the 'hero' has been the case since, in my opinion, late Wrath. Our characters have always been above average and since WoD at a literally Commander status, you can't knock them for focusing the game on the player, it's an RPG after all.

Artifacts, although many questions remain unanswered, rather excite me. How you retrieve some of them will play huge factors into the story and the characters they used to belong too, so who knows who dies/who retires and so on! The new talents/perks assigned to them, seems rather interesting as a way of customising your play-style, although the idea of running with one-weapon all x-pac isn't entirely appealling. I read on IcyVein's interview with the devs that we loot relics from bosses/etc and those allow us to update and improve our artifact with specific stats we want, so our weapon still gets better, but we apparently have no weapon drops in Legion, which is a huge shame. I pray they are transmoggable, that is all.

The new PvP Prestige System will be interesting, but I need to wait and see before I really comment on it. Just a shame, that if it rolls as assumed, it'll be the killer of W-PvP.

Basically, the Legion Announcement has the potential to be absolutely amazing; class-hubs for guilds/groups like IC Covens on a Demon World, Silver Hand RP, and who knows what else to come for other classes. Yet I think there are still a couple of things yet to be announced that will either make it, or break it for me, but the initial whining about the changes, hasn't phased me yet atleast.

-Also, -apparently- if you believe the 'interview' IcyVeins had with the Devs, Hunters are being revamped, Survival is melee with a pet, as assumed by the Spear Artifact, Beastmasters are ranged with pets, and Marksman is ranged with no pets. :O -  (source - http://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/13199-wow-legion-details-at-gamescom-interview-with-tom-chilton-ion-hazzikostas/)

I agree with most points you make Gashuk.

But indeed if there are no new weapons drops in the new expansion..it also means there is no new skins!!! Except for those artifact things.

But I too am mostly positive about this. As long as we don't like....end the legion. Rather stall it, or push it back.

Well. Appears I'll be going Survival for my main spec then! :D

Wish it was BM that got the melee though, but oh well. It's a dream come true! \o/

All I'm gonna say:

(http://i.imgur.com/kcqD17V.gif)

(Thank Sadok for linking that to me, you just made my day.)

Hurr... XD

"Improved transmogrification system" that piqued my interest...

Some new news here. http://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/13199-wow-legion-details-at-gamescom-interview-with-tom-chilton-ion-hazzikostas/

I agree that making us sound like epic awesome heroes is a bit.. meh, but overall I don't mind because what I do while questing/pve/pvp isn't IC so. :D All in all I think the artifact system sounds cool, it's an additional progression path and that's always nice. It does seem like a revamped version of Path of the Titans that was supposed to be in Wotlk? Sure it seems wierd in a way that we're going to run around with these legendary weapons, but like Grek said maybe it's just replicas or look-alikes? *shrug*

Like Srelok said I think it's very nice that Nelf lore is getting expanded on, as well as druid lore. Also really like that we're getting more lore/information on the Vrykul, Valkyr, Emerald Dream and Neltarion. :D Lots of different lore for this expansion imo, which is more than can be said about WoD.

I agree 100% with Sadok also, that in this expansion the lack of fun endgame kind of killed the enjoyment for me. D: I play MMOs to do various stuff, PvP, RP, PvE etc. If too many of those aspects are dull, I'll lose interest. So far in WoD there's only really been RP for me. PvP has been dull most of the time except when doing guild BGs or BGs with friends, PvE has been dull.. so I lost interest fairly quickly and/or often. This is mostly because everything is sooo grindy and based around mob-farming.. (*cough* reputation *cough*)I prefer the millions of MoP dailies over this tbh. xD I was super hyped and excited for WoD, and while the questing/lore while leveling up was awesome.. that was it, really. I hope Legion will be more fun (especially at max level) so I don't feel like quitting every 2 months. >.>

Agree 100% with Gashuk too.. so much whining over Legion when it's what everyone has been wanting for so long "pls gief legion expansion!" every year. xD And it -does- seem like the most logical next step, yes, for several reasons:

1. Blizzard have been saying since MoP that from then and onwards, the end of each expansion would lead into the next one.. this one ended with legion stuff soo... yeah. xD
2. During the Legendary questchain in MoP, Wrathion predicted a Legion invasion that would be bigger than we'd ever seen.. so why are people still surprised about this expansion? :P Interestingly enough, I even read a forum post a while back, where some guy had found a lot of hints in most of the expansions, suggesting that there are hints in each expansion about what is going to come in the expansion coming after the next one; Like in Vanilla, there was apparently some hints at Wotlk, in TBC there were hits at Cata, etc. With that in mind; Wrathion predicting Legion invasion in MoP makes sense.

And like most people have said already, I think the new PvP system looks interesting. It will (hopefully) mean more balance in PvP since they can keep PvP and PvE more separated, and the PvP only talents might actually be fun and interesting to use. And there's the Demon Hunters and the Broken Isles ofc, stuff I have been waiting for since Vanilla. xD Totally gonna roll a DH, and it might end up being my new main (Sorry Vez D:). As for the improved Transmog system Srelok mentioned; Blizzard already said in the 2014 Blizzcon that they want to make the transmog system more like the D3 one, where you "learn" an item's apperance, so you don't have to keep the item to transmog it. They also said a few months later in another interview that they'd still like to do that.. so I'm guessing this means it's finally coming now with Legion.

TLDR; I am very excited about Legion. \o/

Still are 'hunters' should be happy, survival going a lil bit melee. Return of le raptor strike?

It's not replicas of the weapon if I listened right; you go -find- the weapon. What happens from then on I don't know; but atleast the Lightbringer I expect to be the actual weapon.

Quote from: Rashka on August 07, 2015, 09:48:26 PM
It's not replicas of the weapon if I listened right; you go -find- the weapon. What happens from then on I don't know; but atleast the Lightbringer I expect to be the actual weapon.

You're right, it's the canonical Ashbringer, the canonical Doomhammer, DK weapons forged from the canonical Frostmourne, etc.

From the MMO Champ recap:
"Retribution Paladins will be returning to the Broken Shore to look for Ashbringer where it fell in battle and was lost so that you can wield it."
"Protection Warriors will follow up on the legends of ancient Vrykul king that was buried with a sword and shield forged from the scales of the dragon Neltharion. You delve into his tomb and overcome the ancient curses that lay there in order to wield those weapons for yourself."
"Frost Death Knights will seek out Frostmourne's shards in Icecrown Citadel and reforge them into a pair of rune blades."

Replicas may end up being a way for some RPers to justify it in their headcanon, but in the actual story of Legion, it's made clear that the player-character hero is wielding these actual weapons.

More story creation issues  that just DOES NOT work in an MMO.
Every player character can't be THE SAME character storywise. A smart MMO story makes allowance for there being tons of champions. Not one champion that has multiple clones.

But... I'll stop whining about bad, stupid, and unimmersive mmo writing.

Curious what they'll say during blizzcon now.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1822797-New-Expansion-General-Discussion/page717?p=35267612#post35267612

...A billion fake leaks, and the one guy who actually leaked the ex-pac got ignored.

Quote from: Sadok on August 08, 2015, 01:18:59 AM
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1822797-New-Expansion-General-Discussion/page717?p=35267612#post35267612

...A billion fake leaks, and the one guy who actually leaked the ex-pac got ignored.

That guy must work at blizzard, impossible to be that spot on lol

Quote from: Trakmar on August 07, 2015, 05:03:52 PM
Wish it was BM that got the melee though, but oh well. It's a dream come true! \o/

I am very happy that I get to keep my ranged position as a BM, thank you very much. :P

Quote from: Rashka on August 08, 2015, 01:23:37 AM

Quote from: Sadok on August 08, 2015, 01:18:59 AM
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1822797-New-Expansion-General-Discussion/page717?p=35267612#post35267612

...A billion fake leaks, and the one guy who actually leaked the ex-pac got ignored.

That guy must work at blizzard, impossible to be that spot on lol

Haha! I love the guy a few posts down quoting him going "LOL sounds legit." being all sarcastic and clearly since release, he has changed his name to L E G I O N and his signature to the title image! What a tool!

What do you guys think of Illidan in this new expansion: friend or foe?
We might fight him for some time, but I think he will turn his weapons against the Legion, helping us. Many see him as a misunderstood hero that sacrificed everything to fight against the Legion, so we might see him "redeem" himself. I really do hope so.

Thats the part I like about Illidan. He is not clearly on anyone's side and go either way.

Well, considering how much Blizzard just LOVE redemption stories, even shoehorining in one to the end of WoD (even though Grom is responsible for massacring thousands of the populations who saved him) I'm sure Metzen has a "fantastic" redemption story in store.

Quote from: Umaua on August 08, 2015, 02:42:55 PM
Thats the part I like about Illidan. He is not clearly on anyone's side and go either way.

Well Illidan feels like he was betrayed. All he did was to keep the night elves safe and impress Tyrande.
"They call me the Betrayer, but it was I who was betrayed." - Illidan Stormrage

Some new info here: http://www.wowhead.com/news=248635/wowhead-weekly-46-legion-news-new-character-slot-interviews-blizzard-costume-con Seems like I was right about the Transmog stuff. :3

The only problem now with all this cool stuff is having to wait to early next year 'hopefully' and having to deal with wod in the mean time..



*looks at calendar* Are we there yet?

While I'm not sure of my status on these forums anymore, I felt compelled to throw in my 2 cents as Grek mentioned something I said...

Quote from: Grekthar on August 07, 2015, 02:30:13 AM
...A thought just occured to me... *looks at Krogon* You bastard, you predicted this without meaning to predict it. When you were giving that lesson on Fel to Umaua and Shasrosan whilst Gashuk and Rhonya were doing their Ritual stuff, and we had that talk about dealing with the Legion, invasions of Azeroth...

'Legion' is not Blizzard being inventive, but infact going back to tried and tested concepts, then expanding upon them.

This is not a rip off of 'TBC', nope, its WoTLK. Everything about this screams Wrath, From the race of moose tauren, to the mighty enemy citadel, to the epic pre-expansion battle, Vrykul, valkyr, new class. We are seeing Dalaran used as a capital again, and Archerus is showing up... Which is the basis for the class halls, DK's already have this! just without the added stuff. Theres even the heavy titan lore mentioned, akin to Ulduar...

No, everything about this expansion screams Wrath of the lich king. Wrath was blizzards best expansion and saw the pinnacle of subscription rates, So they seem to be reverting to what worked best.

On the point of demon hunters, I can see them being all kinds of silly in RP. I won't lie, i've always wanted to see someone RP one properly, but it has as yet been an elusive dream. If the class works however is another story. They look to already be competing for gear with rogues, monks and druids. I'm just hoping they don't become a better version of 'x' class like WW monks did in MoP for ferals/rogues. The two spec touch is nice, keeps it simple.

All in all, i predict the plot to be explosive! -- if predictable, so heres some spoiler idea si have of what is coming...

READ THEM AT YOUR OWN RISK.



Anyhow, thats just off the top of my head.

But eh, hype? a little. But really its just a rip off of Wrath of the lich king.

Quote from: Arkail on August 08, 2015, 10:22:09 PM
The only problem now with all this cool stuff is having to wait to early next year 'hopefully' and having to deal with wod in the mean time..



*looks at calendar* Are we there yet?

My problem exactly. I have close to zero motivation for WoD.. I just want Legion now carrotcake it looks so awesome. I want my DH ;_;

Leaked preview of PvP in Legion:

(https://i.gyazo.com/6980955561342a4fcc71e42e104d2838.gif)

That's fake! Just look at how many MALE characters there are! We all know the majority of elf player-characters are female!

I know I'll be on a female demonhunter. :D

Quote from: Umaua on August 09, 2015, 03:07:04 PM
I know I'll be on a female demonhunter. :D

Same. :D A good chance it will be my new main, too! I just need to decide which race to go for. xD

Well...there's still so long a time to that, that I don't personally know. But we'll see!

If I could add 1 thing for Legion, it would be the option to hide 1 or both shoulderguards. (I always thought Sre to be a 1-shoulder type of guy....)

Quote from: Srelok on August 21, 2015, 04:53:43 PM
If I could add 1 thing for Legion, it would be the option to hide 1 or both shoulderguards. (I always thought Sre to be a 1-shoulder type of guy....)

Funny, I thought he was more of a Head & Shoulders type of guy. How else does one get that luxuriant mane of hair?

By not being bald.

Try Argan oil shampoo ;)

With Blizzcon happening, I had a brief look here http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/blog/19942706/

One thing caught my eye

Rogues have three distinct specializations: Assassination, Outlaw, and Subtlety. Each brings with it a unique identity that is reflected within the Artifact weapon choices.

Combat spec being renamed to outlaw at least!

Edit: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/artifacts/
Here you can find all the artifacts.

The lore nerd in me is excited for the mage weapons. I mean i am getting a guardian of Tirisfal staff :o like Medivh's mamas staff :o  but, I do think the other classes have shexier looking weapons, what does everyone think of theres?

But that fire mage sword! One of the best looking weapons imo!

The weapon that fought frostmourne (and lost, but still) Still pretty cool looking i dunno the shaman and druid are nice as are the Unholy dk sword

Not really too impressed by the hunter artifacts, unfortunately. BM has a gun that looks silly (and I never liked guns in the first place), MM has an elven bow, but is said to be a spec that doesn't allow pets, and the spear concept for survival is interesting, but... I worry how silly the spears will look. Guess I'm just far too picky.

Having said that, I don't think there are -any- artifacts that make me go "woah!" right away. Ashbringer, sure, but that's a dead give-away. Why not use some old weapons that we're familiar with, or that belonged to other Warcraft heroes? Even if it's old, fabled nonsense like Arcanite Reaper, Anathema or... dare I say it, Dirge? Alright, maybe not that last one, but there's just far too much overly shiny stuff in there for me!

Look at this. I can't get over it. Waaaay too hyped!

Honestly, I love spears. Very underused in fantasy overall in comparison to bows and swords. I might have to make a hunter just for it...

At least the weapons can be transmogged...

Brewmaster staff with lots of bottles and kegs and all kinds of trinkets :D:D:D

Well, I was weary of the expansion at first due to a particular factor (which I will elaborate on shortly) but now i'm sold. This is mainly due to the new bear form model...



While the skin on it is likely one of many, the model itself (especially if you had it as plain brown/black fur) is beautiful, thus I am definatly going tank with my druid for pve in Legion. And as Rashka has pointed out, kitty form looks good too... hue hue.

Anyhow... my previous beef and why I have no longer got said beef...


Northrend 2.0

This expansion, if subtly, stinks of the northrend/WoTLK layout. Both have the following...

-A big bad enemy in a fortress on a distant, little known continent that threatens all azeroth with their armies.
-A tauren race
-Dragon culture in the form of a new flight/old flight. As well as a dragon den (neltharions lair)
-Vrykul
-Dalaran, and even a re-used dungeon in the shape of Violet hold.
-The high likely hood of a betrayal or event resulting in war between alliance/horde (like wrathgate)

I could probably spend hours drawing more comparisons and guessing/linking things but ultimately that doesn't matter. WoTLK was arguablly WoW's most successful expansion, it worked brilliantly, and for blizzard to go back to this formula... is only good.

Having looked at the new dungeons (they look amaze-balls), got an inkling of class changes, how artifacts work and learning that 5 man dungeons can be a substitute for raids. I'm happy, Very happy. And wholly looking forward to not only playing my druid but making a demon hunter and embracing what this expansion has to bring on multiple levels.

Legion? count me in.

Cant blame them for using a wrath style model when they're losing subs left and right seeing as Wrath which had the highest sub count and is now fondly remembered. The shoving orcs in our faces model of hey remember this guy and this guy in WoD's nostalgia trip didn't work, so i guess there going a different route?

I am cautiously looking forward to legion and happy to wait whenever it's release 6-8-9 months is fine i guess, still remains to see what makes it into the game, WoD promised a lot and delivered very little.



P.s   I mean Orc Priests would be nice just saying not bitter or anything nope. :P

Krogon remember you can modify it as much as you want aswell.. That's what I'm most excited about :D

Oh, and the diablo 3 transmog system is coming to wow, that id amazeballd

I am -SO- hyped about the subtlety rogue changes... I'm bouncing up and down in my chair and squeeing... my in laws are looking at me oddly.

Haha thats funny, yes sub is starting to sound amazing.
Really love the new transmog system, its a roleplayers dream come true
Oh and did i mentiion the hide shoulder option? :D

OMGOMGOMHGOMFSJSSYBSS I CANNOT CONTAIN THIS HYPE *frothing mouth*

(http://i.imgur.com/tOJKw.gif)

My warrior and rogue are going to have a lot of new Transmog options   o_o

Challenge mode gear for all my druid alts.. BANK SPACE ON MY MAIN..! I can't even. This is too much. *Explodes*

I knew I could hear something when the Rogue stuff was announced... almost blew out my god damn ear drums with the power of your squee's and cries of joy.

LOVING the whole Wardrobe thing coming into Legion. EVERY SINGLE QUEST ITEM you could have picked or did pick will be available to you, all the stuff in each and every single characters bank, void storage, bags, all of that added to the Wardrobe, clearing up soooooo much space!!!

EDIT: Forgot to mention... Triple Spec is going to be a thing. And for druids... Quadruple Spec.

That's right, we can now be all the specs in Legion.

I just wonder if the system is so smart that it knows what items you've had, but thrown out because you needed space.. Hmm

The system knows what quests you've done. I don't think it'll add BoE stuff that you've had equipped and thrown out.

ROGUE CHANGES HYPEEEEE

There is a column of pirate themed talents, such as cannonball barrages and grappling hooks.

About the rogues :O

Quote from: Therak on November 08, 2015, 04:56:12 PM
There is a column of pirate themed talents, such as cannonball barrages and grappling hooks.

About the rogues :O

For combat-- OUTLAW rogues.

Also, killing spree a talent? nice.

There are so many positive/awesome things about Legion, for me, that I don't even know where to begin... xD

DHs look awesome, and I knew ever since the Gamescon reveal that my new main will be a DH. I love all their mobility abilities and their ability animations <3 They look so much fun to play! Also loving all the zones, especially Highmountain and Stormheim.. they are perfect examples of my favourite zone types (and they feel very Wotlk-like <3).

The scaled leveling thing is awesome, lots of freedom and all that All of the transmog related stuff is super epic, especially that they finally include TABARDS!! (goodbye 53 tabards I have in the bank :D ) and like someone mentioned above, that it includes items from quests you did in the past that you may not even have chosen! Plus you can see item skins you haven't even obtained yet. :D

I am also loving their plans for end-game... seems a lot more interesting and fun compared to WoD, which is great because end-game in WoD was one of the reasons I've had sooo many breaks this expansion.. everything just feels so forced and grindy and blerh. While Legion endgame, especially the new "dailies"/objectives, look sort of fun/interesting. And I like the new profession quests and such too!

There's so much else I love about Legion but I just can't remember it all atm, and I'm sure all the stuff I've said has been said already but I'm just so excited and had to let some of it out before I explode, aaaaaah! xD The whole expansion just gives me the same feel Wotlk did, which is a great thing. I don't think I've been this excited for an expansion ever. Not even my WoD hype was anywhere near this.

EDIT: Also for those who don't know, blizzard said during the Q&A that currently, demon hunters of both factions can communicate through speaking demonic to each other. They're not certain it'll stay though, but apparently it is being considered. :D

The hunter class preview makes me a sad orc. They've already taken a bunch of my favourite toys away in WoD - now they're taking traps and MM (unless I choose to miss out on my pet) away from me too. Papa Koz wants his toys to utilize in battlegrounds!

Well, they are aiming to make the classes more...diverse. So a hunter has 3 more or less unique ways to play it.

I personally do approve.

I am also awaiting to kick me demon hunter up. That point already sold me on the legion expansion.

Some of the zones make me tempted to play. Maybe DH, or the new Survival Hunter would make the game somewhat fun again. Maybe ...

Psst secret. Warlocks were able to communicate cross faction with the wing glyph. Was pretty awesome.

Shhhhh!

Quote from: Lars on November 09, 2015, 09:33:14 AM
Some of the zones make me tempted to play. Maybe DH, or the new Survival Hunter would make the game somewhat fun again. Maybe ...

Everything about Legion makes me tempted to play, makes me feel excited about WoW like never before.. but then I log on and realize it's still WoD. :| Gief legion pls

Quote from: Vezara on November 09, 2015, 02:50:14 PM

Quote from: Lars on November 09, 2015, 09:33:14 AM
Some of the zones make me tempted to play. Maybe DH, or the new Survival Hunter would make the game somewhat fun again. Maybe ...

Everything about Legion makes me tempted to play, makes me feel excited about WoW like never before.. but then I log on and realize it's still WoD. :| Gief legion pls

^^^ couldn't be more accurate lol

Well, last I tried playing I still found the core gameplay SUPER boring. Like, among the worst possible outside of horrible games made for free flash webpages.
So the game itself doesn't really excite me at all normally.

Even if I feel the new flavour of Night Elves and the "Nightwell" seem as a huge ass-pull.
But Metzen doing those? NEVER!

Priest sounds interesting...

...I like the angle they are taking with Disc in particular.

Shadow priest using Void magics whoop looks fun old god worshiping madmen, plus void form has tenacles suppsoedly finding a reliable source of it is sketchy, and we have all seen enough hentai to know where that is going. Still no orc priests come on void magics void fricking magics and no Orc priests?? Garrosh's true horde and the iron horde had void magics /pouts.


I am getting the feeling they're really avoiding this issue :D

I remember them saying this during the WoW Legion Game Mechanics panel at Blizzcon on Saturday about Shadow Priests and void old god magics with the tentacles, since Shadow Priests are going to have a resource called Insanity instead of mana or shadow orbs. *checks Blizzcon site* at around 42 minutes into the WoW Legion Game System panel they talk about Shadow Priests.

Warrior changes, liking the looks of it. Some vital adjusment to Arms in the form of the whirlwind being the gap filler, its been replaced with slam whi h should be far more rewarding.

Protections changes also look nice. Not too sure about fury but the 'flurry' style to it could work well, especially with momentum and bloodthrist effects.

SWEET JESUS THE ROGUE UPDATES ARE JIFFING SEXY!! I can't even. It's too much awesome. This part was one of my favorites, along with SHADOOOWWW for subtlety.


Saber Slash
50 Energy, Melee Range, Instant
Viciously slash an enemy, causing moderate Physical damage and awarding 1 combo point. Saber Slash has a 35% chance to strike an additional time, granting additional damage and combo point, and making your next Pistol Shot free.
Pistol Shot
40 Energy, 20 yd range, Instant
Draw a concealed pistol and fire a quick shot at an enemy, dealing moderate Physical damage and reducing movement speed by 50% for 6 sec. Awards 1 combo point.

QuoteMost rogues train their entire lives to learn how to walk in the shadowsâ€"subtlety rogues were born there.

Dear god Blizzard, you and references xD

I do love the Storm Earth And Fire change for Monks, less of a pain in the ass come boss fights with more than one boss or lots of adds.

Elemental Shaman changes... in theory looks interesting, but will need to wait and see how it actually plays before I figure it out. Also, was wondering when we'd get HoTS Thrall's Ultimate Ability in WoW, and Enhancements get it as a talent.

QuoteSundering
60 Maelstrom, Instant, 20 sec cooldown
Shatter a line of earth before you, causing strong Physical damage and knocking enemies to the side.

If it were able to Stun as well, that'd be scary to face in PvP xD

Extremely happy with druid myself.

Guardian looks viable in pvp for poops and giggles again.

Lets go tank pvp together Krogon :D

Quote from: Hellbrew on November 13, 2015, 12:15:10 AM
Lets go tank pvp together Krogon :D

YOU BEAR-TER BEAR-LIEVE IT MONK-EY BOY!

So gnomes have hunters now in legion, i am not gonna bring up Orc priests i swore i wouldnt, no i am better than this no need to beat a dead horse with a dead horse atop my hopes and dreams, but Gnome hunters? Come on, da fuck?  :'(

Quote from: Arkail on November 15, 2015, 01:46:50 AM
So gnomes have hunters now in legion, i am not gonna bring up Orc priests i swore i wouldnt, no i am better than this no need to beat a dead horse with a dead horse atop my hopes and dreams, but Gnome hunters? Come on, da fuck?  :'(

Bang bang, they shot you down.

Bumping this thread for visibility since it got kicked down by event spam!

Wait.. Really?

http://www.wowhead.com/news=250045/legion-beta-build-20740-class-spell-changes#highlights

Lot's of changes! Get them here!

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/

Current beta builds and datamined armor sets! Also spoilers.

Hey guys, check this out. :3

http://beta.wowhead.com/item=134125/mecha-mind-synchronization-fluid

Also, mechanical hunter pets!

Scribes can make steamy romance novels. This makes me very happy for Arkail's future.
http://beta.wowhead.com/spells=11?filter=na=steamy;cr=21;crs=1;crv=60203

Nooooooooooo....

Hunters get Caltrops :(

MASSIVE plot spoilers on MMO-Champion. Don't look if you really don't want to know!

I smell wardrobe achievements incoming..

Quote from: Rhonya on November 24, 2015, 12:45:58 AM
MASSIVE plot spoilers on MMO-Champion. Don't look if you really don't want to know!

Just to add to this it's a DEATH spoiler, so seriously don't look unless you wanna know.

Attention the MASSIVE SPOILERS are updating on MMO Champion as the night progresses.

And oh dear god... I am just... I am LOVING several of these spoilers, whilst others are a little head-scratching... I can think of a few ways for how some of them could work but...

Again these are MASSIVE SPOILERS... which I really wish I could talk about with someone... anyone... which I will now put down in a spoiler of my own. A spoiler inside a spoiler, inside a spoiler just to be on the safe side. If you do NOT want to be spoiled, do NOT click my spoiler link below.

I am being serious here, below is four spoiler links before the spoilers themselves... do NOT say you weren't warned. I hold no responsibility for anyone who takes umbridge with reading them despite the warnings of MASSIVE SPOILERS BELOW.

On a different note, thoughts on the Beast Master Artifact weapon? Can't say I'm a huge fan of it being a massive cannon... glad I can transmog it to look like a bow.

[/spoiler][/spoiler][/spoiler]

*grumble grumble grumble* why only 2-handers.. Pffsh..

Quote from: Grekthar on November 24, 2015, 03:10:37 AM
Attention the MASSIVE SPOILERS are updating on MMO Champion as the night progresses.

And oh dear god... I am just... I am LOVING several of these spoilers, whilst others are a little head-scratching... I can think of a few ways for how some of them could work but...

Again these are MASSIVE SPOILERS... which I really wish I could talk about with someone... anyone... which I will now put down in a spoiler of my own. A spoiler inside a spoiler, inside a spoiler just to be on the safe side. If you do NOT want to be spoiled, do NOT click my spoiler link below.

I am being serious here, below is four spoiler links before the spoilers themselves... do NOT say you weren't warned. I hold no responsibility for anyone who takes umbridge with reading them despite the warnings of MASSIVE SPOILERS BELOW.

On a different note, thoughts on the Beast Master Artifact weapon? Can't say I'm a huge fan of it being a massive cannon... glad I can transmog it to look like a bow.

Spoiler: show

ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO READ THESE MASSIVE SPOILERS?[spoiler]LAST CHANCE TO TURN BACK FROM THESE MASSIVE SPOILERS.[spoiler]Alright then, you have been warned. Here are my thoughts on the MASSIVE SPOILERS, or at least some of them[spoiler]First off, Calia Menethil is making an appearance. Arthas' little sister. Oh sweet mother of god yes! Nice little thread to tidy up there since she was thrown to the wind pretty much during the Arthas book and any other mentions have only been just that... mentions.

And Broxigar is turning up as well!!! Along with an Image of Aegwynn and Visions/Echoes of Medivh... the two most heavy hitting Guardians ever and both have dealt with the Legion before

The Lich King himself Bolvar is getting in on this action, and... I don't know whether this was him or the Legion, but OUR Grom is making an appearance as an undead boss in something. That should be... interesting to see how that works out.

And apparently Llane Wrynn, Varian's daddy is making a Boss appearance as well... Violet Hold maybe responsible for these last two shenanigans? Since Anduin Lothar's appearing as well... Suffice to say from this NPC list alone so far, Legion is bringing out some seriously heavy hitters to combat the Legion invasion.

Then the elekk in the room... Sylvanas as Acting Warchief in Vol'jins absence... oh dear god this is going to create a LOT of RP drama which I shall strive to appear for regularly On my orc or my Forsaken, probably both

Oh and Varian dies as well... but tbh, I kinda expected that from the Cinematic we got shown at Blizzcon. The words, the music, the situation... it kinda just set itself up for it to happen really. What will be interesting to see is how the now King Anduin handles the Legion situation whilst also dealing with Sylvanas' Horde...

[/spoiler][/spoiler][/spoiler]

In answer to ONE of the spoilerific spoilers.

Quote from: Lars on November 26, 2015, 01:23:29 PM
In answer to ONE of the spoilerific spoilers.

Spoiler: show

Why excitment over one of Knaaks badly written characters? Never understood why people fangasm over Brioxigar. Give us more Saurfang action, that's where it's at!

PS most of Knaaks characters are badly written in one way or another. In case of complaints.

Thank you! My thoughts exactly.


...that aside though, I am really excited for Legion! Looks awesome so far!

Not getting my hopes up though, WoD also looked amazing before it was launched. Then they scrapped a lot of things.

Quote from: Kogra on November 27, 2015, 08:29:10 AM
Not getting my hopes up though, WoD also looked amazing before it was launched. Then they scrapped a lot of things.

^ -THIS- is why I'm not getting excited about Legion. I have a lot of things that actually kind of scare me:

- How much of the promised poopoo will Blizzard scrap because "Not enough time" or "We never promised this."
- How much content will there be apart from leveling. (No, apexis crystal dailies are not content... They weren't even accompanied with actual story and what not.)
- How much phasing will there be in the Shattered Isles with this new scaling level system ( If they even keep their promise on the scaling leveling zones.) Will the Shattered Isles even be RP'able?

These are just a few things that make me go: Eh... I can wait. I do believe that Blizzard will try to go all-out on this expac since.. well.. looking at the rapid decline in subscribers during WoD for... reasons? (lel blizz sux) if they release another piss-poor expac, it'll be the end of WoW.

Of course I hope the expansion will be as promising as Blizzard is making it sound like now, but I'm not holding my breath ( Because quite frankly.. I'd probably die seeing we still need to wait until the summer *nod*)

I thought you guys might find this interesting aswell, Rogue Outlaw abilities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb7kHG12Mnk

Quote from: Gridish on November 27, 2015, 10:07:59 AM

These are just a few things that make me go: Eh... I can wait. I do believe that Blizzard will try to go all-out on this expac since.. well.. looking at the rapid decline in subscribers during WoD for... reasons? (lel blizz sux) if they release another piss-poor expac, it'll be the end of WoW.

On this point, the decline in subs. I honestly feel that it's far more due to age of the game than anything else. Primary to any such things as story or amount of content.
If you look at subscriber graphs pretty much the entire "spike" that happened at the launch of WoD were lost by the next report and decline continued as before release with around the same acceleration. There's a small uptick around (what I assume) is the pre-patch. A spike at launch, and then after the spike an accelerated dip (compared to before the spike). I think the next area would be a slower loss but still consistent. As the point it ends on seem's to be in line where subs would have been without the expansion pack (maybe a bit higher).

With Legion I expect an uptick, and a spike. Smaller than from WoD. Then back to curve.

Nothing Blizzard can do will stop this. Aside from a full gameplay overhaul and engine overhaul. Which they might as well release a new game for.
I guess more and more people find the core game play to be boring now. And thus not worth paying for. So they stop playing. Everytime one person as that comes they set off a (slow) chain reaction.
MMO games thrive on community. If a person in that leaves it grows weaker. So people leaving because they find the game-play not worth paying for anymore might take others with them. People who stopped liking it ages ago, but stayed around for the people they played with. And so on.

In the face of this, no small changes Blizzard comes with will change this. Only slow it.

Even if I guess Blizzard will keep promising more and more since even if some developers have realized this. Marketing and Share Holders will not. And they will go "GIT DEM BACK!" and ignore the "It's impossible ..." only say "You had the numbers one time. Obviously it's possible!"

Hillariously enough, had SW:TOR or another "WoW-killer" released now they might actually have gotten a decently sized player base, if they played differently enough from WoW. Since more people might find leaving WoW an acceptable choice and thus switch more communities. (Since, whenever there's really been MMO-Migration, it's generally not been players, but communities doing it. (The guilds move would be quite a good example. Several people have occasionally moved server only to come back)).

Just looked through MMO Champion at the Class Order Halls as they are atm, and I am loving the looks of them :D Hope to see the Shaman one as soon as the Beta lets Shaman's play on the beta build.

Also

For all our PvP enthusiasts in the guild, the Honor Prestige thing may hold some interesting stuff for you, especially for RP-PvP sakes.

One of the items you can acquire by going through this Prestige thing they're implementing, is a wearable faction banner, so you can run around on the battlefield with the flag of the Horde strapped to your back.

Along with a new black wolf version of the PvP wolf that has a banner strapped to its bum, that's a possible reward as well.

(http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2015/december/pvpblog03.jpg)

Who here's our resident combat/outlaw Rogues? One of the skins for your Artifact...

(http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2016/january/outlawRogueArtifact06.jpg)

That's so big it has to be compensating for -something-

It looks... oddly like Thunderfurry?    :-[

did someone say thunderfury blessed blade of the windseeker?

Quote from: Krogon on February 01, 2016, 10:00:34 PM
Thunderfurry?

What you did there...

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/139/490/f5c.jpg)

I see it.

Speaking of Legion, who else thinks this is going to be a deadly expansion for our tribe rp wise? Let's be honest, the Legion ain't no pushover like the Iron Horde.

Quote from: Kozgugore on February 02, 2016, 01:31:35 AM

Quote from: Krogon on February 01, 2016, 10:00:34 PM
Thunderfurry?

What you did there...

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/139/490/f5c.jpg)

I see it.

...good, because it was a genuine typo    (''''\ (o,,,,,o) /'''')

in other news, extremely happy with what i've seen coming with guardian druids, huge shift from hp/dodge/multistrike toward raw mastery, its lovely. plus a lot better Cd's.

How do you folks feel about your class changes?

Surv hunter is a dream come true.
DK, I'll have to see.
Sham... eh... I dun get it.

Will have to see about shaman really. Atm it feels like enhance is being screwed over, but we will have to see about that, with the whole maelstrom mechanic that is.

Shaman always get screwed over, you should know this by now :D. They need to get rid of the clunky totem mechanics in my opinion and replace it with something that flows better yet keeps the class feel.

The totems ARE the class feel apperently ;) According to blizz. But they're overhauling the totem system AGAIN.

Aye, but they're clunky as hell xD and mean you get shitty talent tiers that revolve around relocating them or recalling them for mana back, not to mention a billion more buttons on your cast bars that enhancement at least don't need, they already have a bazillion of them xD Maybe instead make it so that shaman can carry a different totem on their back at once, giving them some form of different buff, meh I dunno.

I saw this and thought of FoRbe, will he return?

Very mild spoiler a weapon model

Quote from: Arkail on April 09, 2016, 12:47:36 PM
I saw this and thought of FoRbe, will he return?

Very mild spoiler a weapon model

Spoiler: show

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/sheep-chewing-then-stare.gif)
wHo KnOwS

This still freaks me out.

You goys seen the Warrior animations? Looking forward to warrior as a whole, tbh.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/5653-Legion-Alpha-Build-21570

Interesting start to the pre-expac event. Should make settling in Orgimmar rather interesting if we stick around there during it.

I'm psyched for it. I joined mid-Wrath, so to hear about how cool the Wrath pre-event sounded, I can't wait for this one!

I'll just be in the corner waiting for everyorc in the Tribe to blame Gashuk for messing with Demons again ;)

Which is highly likely ;)

(http://i.imgur.com/38Mg34p.gif)

(http://2static4.fjcdn.com/comments/Warcraft+now+sigh+_b07f1a30bb9e5ce787276dbd55e50b00.jpg)

Found this.

xD

And that's how I feel about what I've heard about the class specific quest lines going with them around the weapons...
...
Aka, they are incredibly stupid in an MMO. But have been so since wrath or when quests started treating you as the hero instead of a hero.

MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD! IF YOU WANT YOUR LORE KNOWLEDGE TO STAY UNTAINTED, DO NOT LOOK!
Okay, you've been warned.

In reply to Rakmal, DON'T READ SPOILER ETC.

In reply to Mozrogg, spoilers yadda yadda you know the deal

Quote from: Khrugh on May 06, 2016, 12:52:28 PM
In reply to Mozrogg, spoilers yadda yadda you know the deal

Spoiler: show

 Early datamine had a thing called ''DARKSPEAR TROLL RAID'' in the files. Now that could be just blizz fucking with us or maybe Darkspear Isle which was said to be around the broken isles will come in a future patch along with a raid that maybe features Vol'jin.

However, you can see the ringed tusk of Vol'jin underneath the mask, his other seems to have broken off. AND I WILL FUCKING QUIT THIS GAME IF HE'S FUCKING DEAD WITH THIS LAZY STORY WRITING BULLSHIT. 

Ahem... what I express in the spoiler below isn't all fact and a lot of it is guess work, still, it has Blzzards usual way of doing things kept in mind.

Quote from: Krogon on May 06, 2016, 03:40:55 PM

Quote from: Khrugh on May 06, 2016, 12:52:28 PM
In reply to Mozrogg, spoilers yadda yadda you know the deal

Spoiler: show

 Early datamine had a thing called ''DARKSPEAR TROLL RAID'' in the files. Now that could be just blizz fucking with us or maybe Darkspear Isle which was said to be around the broken isles will come in a future patch along with a raid that maybe features Vol'jin.

However, you can see the ringed tusk of Vol'jin underneath the mask, his other seems to have broken off. AND I WILL FUCKING QUIT THIS GAME IF HE'S FUCKING DEAD WITH THIS LAZY STORY WRITING BULLSHIT. 

Ahem... what I express in the spoiler below isn't all fact and a lot of it is guess work, still, it has Blzzards usual way of doing things kept in mind.

Spoiler: show

He's not dead. Note very carefully how his body is wrapped. concealing the body but showing obvious hints at who may be underneath. Its not him, its a ploy. Hell it's been said previously and I forget where... "King varian wyrnn is dead, and warchief Vol'jin is missing in action". His body wasn't found... and we all know, Darkspear -never-  die.

By the end of Legion, Lillian Voss, who the blizz dev's have been cleverly positioning to kill "lich like abominations", will likely kill sylvanas for going off the deep end, and become banshee queen, with the help of Vol'jin who steps out of the shadows. Thats my guess anyway.

Quote from: Rakmal on May 06, 2016, 04:10:07 PM

Quote from: Krogon on May 06, 2016, 03:40:55 PM

Quote from: Khrugh on May 06, 2016, 12:52:28 PM
In reply to Mozrogg, spoilers yadda yadda you know the deal

Spoiler: show

 Early datamine had a thing called ''DARKSPEAR TROLL RAID'' in the files. Now that could be just blizz fucking with us or maybe Darkspear Isle which was said to be around the broken isles will come in a future patch along with a raid that maybe features Vol'jin.

However, you can see the ringed tusk of Vol'jin underneath the mask, his other seems to have broken off. AND I WILL FUCKING QUIT THIS GAME IF HE'S FUCKING DEAD WITH THIS LAZY STORY WRITING BULLSHIT. 

Ahem... what I express in the spoiler below isn't all fact and a lot of it is guess work, still, it has Blzzards usual way of doing things kept in mind.

Spoiler: show

He's not dead. Note very carefully how his body is wrapped. concealing the body but showing obvious hints at who may be underneath. Its not him, its a ploy. Hell it's been said previously and I forget where... "King varian wyrnn is dead, and warchief Vol'jin is missing in action". His body wasn't found... and we all know, Darkspear -never-  die.

By the end of Legion, Lillian Voss, who the blizz dev's have been cleverly positioning to kill "lich like abominations", will likely kill sylvanas for going off the deep end, and become banshee queen, with the help of Vol'jin who steps out of the shadows. Thats my guess anyway.

Spoiler: show

That would be something, indeed, though I don't really see Lillian Voss as mentally stable enough to rule. She seems a bit, too... Hateful of the Undead. I also kinda hope the Horde will have a stable government for once since Cata. Speaking of unstable governments, I feel like Blizzard has lost valuable opportunities for faction conflicts within the Horde due to the changes of warchiefs. Sure, there was Garrosh, but no reaction to Vol'jin taking over. Hopefully, they'll make something out of it when he disappears. Maybe Baine will take over? The Horde could always need a little red meat.

So many precious precious...





Must resist urge to open

Umm doing Beta and I not happy with Rouge set up as predicted.
Under powered talent builds.
Early days though just have to change game play again.  :-[

Tinfoil hat theory about possible Legion content!

More trolls is always a good thing.

OKRAM YOUR SECOND SPOILER HAS NOTHING IN IT!

WHAT AM I MISSING??

*flails*  :o :o :o :o :o

Nothing that was a mistake! xD shall fix.

So I tried beta yesterday, and I regret it because..

More summer pudding! \o/ And yes. Plot, yo.

Gosh darn that summer pudding..

[spoiler] One of the Xal'atath's whispers (shadow priest artifact) says "The God of the Deep writhes in his prison, breaking free ever so slowly. You should hurry and defeat the fallen titan... there are greater battles yet to fight."

Sargeras is a pushover confirmed. But for reals. Maybe some more N'zoth in legion! Or hints towards perhaps Old Gods/Naga expansion after that! ooooooh!

Also that I quite possible, thank you Rhonya :3

I still cannot get my head around the new leather crafting skills in game so long winded to get 1 Patten and when you do get it, it is in no way any sort of upgrade except in the looks department.
The whole game play to me is very constructed and will quickly become an add on worse than WOD and Pandora put together.  ??? :o :'( :'(

I have stopped playing the beta for now because to be honest I think it is spoiling what we already have.

Just my own Opinion.

Spoilered it just in case cause it might be about a future raid.
[spoiler]
http://i.imgur.com/yxs7x4J.png

A little while ago I posted my theory about troll content. That image is the concept art of a Mythic mail set. Troll raid confirmed? Also brb rerolling my shamans to trolls.

[/spoiler/

Sport raptor form also for shaman, move over orcs it's troll shaman time

It's as I've always said, Troll Master Race.

Consider yourselves banned, heathens.

Troll shamans do the voodoo that you do better. It's a fact

The new silence implementation sounds nice, I might even join trade again without it making me want to pull my teeth out though my arsehole. A internet were people socialise  like they would if they were within punching distance is a dream.

Quote from: Kozgugore on July 13, 2016, 02:07:49 PM
Consider yourselves banned, heathens.

All my friends are heathens, take it slow
Wait for them to ask you who you know
Please don't make any sudden moves
You don't know the half of the abuse

And Okram was never heard from ever again. What happened to Khrugh anyway? Who is this Okram imposter.

Boredom happened!

No idea if this has been posted already and the video is unlisted for some reason, but I will sell a kidney to draw like this also how good does this look? Very much like the awesome wod intro animations







Hnnnnnnnnnngggg

Saw the first one today.

At least he wasn't killed by a bug ;)

@ Rashka from #LPW6

Quote from: Rakmal on July 22, 2016, 06:01:24 PM
Saw the first one today.

Spoiler: show

Not sure what to feel about that fresh Gul'dan lore. Ner'zhul has been completely removed from the equation. First time I've felt pity for lil' Gul'dan, tho. A crippled orc is a sad orc.

As I see it, that's the lore for the AU Gul'dan and not the MU Gul'dan

Moz has it right. That was AU Gul'dan.

And what a goddamn story it was. Like, for real - I loved it.

Confirmed that demon invasions and early access demon hunters (pre-order) will be available august 9th

Yup, 2 more weeks!

(before we're knee deep in felreavers....)

the 9th? awesome. Me and Gashuk can get the 'twins' up and running then.

The tomb of Sargeras audio drama/prelude. very much worth a listen. i love me my audio books

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/20220886/the-tomb-of-sargeras-audio-drama


edited for a youtube version

Illidan harbingers ...awesome

Really was.

Really looking forward to my DH team up with Gashuk now.

My only question.. Where were the bloodelves..?

Probably making out with arcane crystals somewhere, hah.

Quote from: Rhonya on August 04, 2016, 10:40:46 PM
My only question.. Where were the bloodelves..?

Doing the real work. ;)

Quote from: Srelok on August 04, 2016, 10:55:48 PM

Quote from: Rhonya on August 04, 2016, 10:40:46 PM
My only question.. Where were the bloodelves..?

Doing the real work. ;)

So, ERPing in Silvermoon?

Quote from: Kozgugore on August 05, 2016, 12:57:17 AM

Quote from: Srelok on August 04, 2016, 10:55:48 PM

Quote from: Rhonya on August 04, 2016, 10:40:46 PM
My only question.. Where were the bloodelves..?

Doing the real work. ;)

So, ERPing in Silvermoon?

While shrewd watches.

Watches.

...and Koz watches shrewd.

Quote from: Krogon on August 05, 2016, 01:22:39 AM

Quote from: Kozgugore on August 05, 2016, 12:57:17 AM

Quote from: Srelok on August 04, 2016, 10:55:48 PM

Quote from: Rhonya on August 04, 2016, 10:40:46 PM
My only question.. Where were the bloodelves..?

Doing the real work. ;)

So, ERPing in Silvermoon?

While shrewd watches.

Watches.

...and Koz watches shrewd.

And krogon watches koz from the afterlife

Quote from: Arkail on August 05, 2016, 01:27:23 AM

Quote from: Krogon on August 05, 2016, 01:22:39 AM

Quote from: Kozgugore on August 05, 2016, 12:57:17 AM

Quote from: Srelok on August 04, 2016, 10:55:48 PM

Quote from: Rhonya on August 04, 2016, 10:40:46 PM
My only question.. Where were the bloodelves..?

Doing the real work. ;)

So, ERPing in Silvermoon?

While shrewd watches.

Watches.

...and Koz watches shrewd.

And krogon watches koz from the afterlife

But who watches the Watching Krog?

Quote from: Krogon on August 05, 2016, 01:40:53 AM

Quote from: Arkail on August 05, 2016, 01:27:23 AM

Quote from: Krogon on August 05, 2016, 01:22:39 AM

Quote from: Kozgugore on August 05, 2016, 12:57:17 AM

Quote from: Srelok on August 04, 2016, 10:55:48 PM

Quote from: Rhonya on August 04, 2016, 10:40:46 PM
My only question.. Where were the bloodelves..?

Doing the real work. ;)

So, ERPing in Silvermoon?

While shrewd watches.

Watches.

...and Koz watches shrewd.

And krogon watches koz from the afterlife

But who watches the Watching Krog?

Trak got you covered. Hunter see ALL! But are seen by none!

Finished Broken Shore, and all I can say is

As theres been a few unintended spoilers in the channel, if you wish to discuss Legion spoilers in-game while you level and before Legion itself; the following channel has been risen from the dead once more!

"RedBladeSpoilers"

Make sure you colour it different to Redorc to avoid confusion!