A New Dawn: Discussion

[Gridish]

Hmm sounds tempting, but what I keep thinking is that, if BGs/Arenas doesn't happen in a RP/PVP server, what makes you think its going to happen in just an RP server?

but if they aren't happening on an rp-pvp server anyway, is your entire reason for staying on the server a bit counterproductive? You seperate from the tribe -AND- there is no pvp on a so called rp-pvp server?

[Sadok]

Hmm sounds tempting, but what I keep thinking is that, if BGs/Arenas doesn't happen in a RP/PVP server, what makes you think its going to happen in just an RP server?

I enjoy BGs and Arena. Enjoyed them when I rolled on a PvE realm, enjoyed them when I was on a PvP realm.

I've just had limited motivation to get interested in them as of late. But RBGs are a really fun bonding exercise, and now that a few core members of the guild who are very PvP-interested are returning now that we're going to AD, it's going to be much easier to get a team running.

Plus I'm not too many wins off my second RBG wolf, and I want moaaar. 

[Gashuk]

Remember guys, we belong to battlegroups. Our 'instanced' PvP consists of many realms beyond our own, looking at wow-pedia, Argent Dawn is on a different battlegroup to Defias (despite this, I swear I've seen AD natives in Ashran, maybe Ashran is different *flails).

My point is; if your PvP ambitions involve battlegrounds, arena and, ashran please don't fret. It'll be exactly the same and you'll have plenty of hardcore PvPers from pure PvP realms to play against.

[Sadok]

Remember guys, we belong to battlegroups. Our 'instanced' PvP consists of many realms beyond our own, looking at wow-pedia, Argent Dawn is on a different battlegroup to Defias (despite this, I swear I've seen AD natives in Ashran, maybe Ashran is different *flails).

You'd be correct in having seen AD peeps in instanced PvP, because Blizz actually got rid of Battlegroups a while back -- in 4.0 for BGs and 5.4 for Arena. Now when you queue for instanced PvP, you can get anyone in the entire Europe region in your group.

[Gashuk]

Remember guys, we belong to battlegroups. Our 'instanced' PvP consists of many realms beyond our own, looking at wow-pedia, Argent Dawn is on a different battlegroup to Defias (despite this, I swear I've seen AD natives in Ashran, maybe Ashran is different *flails).

You'd be correct in having seen AD peeps in instanced PvP, because Blizz actually got rid of Battlegroups a while back -- in 4.0 for BGs and 5.4 for Arena. Now when you queue for instanced PvP, you can get anyone in the entire Europe region in your group.

Interesting! I missed that update; in that case, don't worry whatsoever! You'll still be PvPing with the same people as normal! It's just W-PvP that will suffer (not Ashran), due to the realm tag!

[Nyruk]

Well I guess you can say its counter-productive, i guess I just don't wanna leave DB. Dunno

[Rashka]

Just to add in something, those of you who are worried of losing gold due to the gold cap, - you can buy the garrison scrolls that upgrades buildings etc, - they sell for the same price.

[Kozgugore]

There's been a few minor updates to our guild FAQ, not the least of which an update on our PvP rules, once we make our move to AD. The changes are as follows:

6.1 Does ORB have any PvP rules?
A few, but nothing too strict. Since we have moved from our RP-PvP roots, we have relaxed on any PvP-enabling rules. However, we do still encourage our members to enable their PvP, should we end up in an IC confrontation with enemy Alliance players. We like to keep our RP as open-ended and as realistic as possible, so a little bit of risk involved in our open-world outings is always a welcome change!

So to put it simple, us officers have considered our options in regards to our move to AD affecting our inclination towards RP-PvP, and while we know AD has generally known very different rules in regards to RP-PvP encounters, we would like to keep a certain degree of our "heritage" intact. While there will be no PvP-enabling rule, we hope to encourage our members by enabling their PvP in dangerous zones, such as events that are to take place in enemy territory, or upon random encounters with enemy RP-minded players. It's not something we plan to force upon our members by any means, but we hope to at least create some incentive for our continued RP-PvP reputation on AD!

Feel quite free to give us your thoughts on this!

[Umaua]

Well...honestly? I think this that rule/suggestion is meaningless.

Why? You keep your PvP enabled and you draw gankers 98% of the time. AD RPers, even those who like PvP are not attacking randomly...well, unless you want it to turn to just PvP slugging. Which sorry, but I don't see as RP, with the jumping, running and all. That is offcourse an opinion.

But the point is. PvP tag enabled will not draw RPers who like PvP, it draws the gankers or just normal PvPers who don't give two (cencored) about RP. It has to do with the fact AD is a PvE realm, the attitude is different. They want organisation to the PvP, random PvP on AD? Ha, that only brings in the flamewars, whining, griefing and a whoooooooooole big mess of crap that I am not sure even all the officers of this guild want to deal with.

Long time AD resident...I've seen it happen on pretty much every occasion nonorganised or agreed upon PvP has been done.

[Rhonya]

That is why it is a suggestion, and not so much a rule.
We won't force anyone to toggle pvp on if they don't want to, but it's just something we'd like to keep in there if possible. And if it doesn't work out at all, things are easily changed again.

[Kozgugore]

The thing about this "rule" is that it's encouraged to enable it in situations where it -might- make sense. We've had a long discussion (possibly the longest we've ever had) among the officers about this particular rule as it is, and I'm sure it won't be the last we've had about it either, but right now, we've been entertaining the thought of at least trying to encourage some kind of "threat" when we find ourselves in the appropriate situation for it. Once again, it won't be a rule that says "enable your PvP, or else..." but as an experiment, it might be interesting to try. Which is why feedback here is welcome, of course!

[Sadok]

I do personally feel that enabling PvP in in-character interactions with the Alliance adds an extra element of danger and immersion. You can duel or emote-battle with Horde players, but without having them on Real-ID, you can only spam /spit at Alliance if you're blue-shielded.

I consider myself an RP-PvPer no matter what server I'm on, and if we're RPing in enemy territory or out in the wilds, the concept of being inexplicably invulnerable to attack from a player in Alliance footman gear when there's no way to do so with an NPC in Alliance footman gear seems weird.

[Umaua]

Sure, it makes sort of sense when/if we are dealing with alliance. Otherwise, even if in enemy territory not overly much.

But hey, since opinions were free, thats mine. I think it's mainly useless as events can be either "PvP flagged" or not, depending on the person running it and how much interruption they want

[Groshnok]

Quick question. I have a level 1 Groshnok saved on AD. How long before I transfer the DB Groshnok must I have the AD one deleted so I can have the name?

[Srelok]

Should be instant at that level.