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Why is it that in all MMO's, you have to reach a certain level (and thus be some kind of mighty hero) to be able to ride a horse, whereas in real life horses are often ridden by 10 year old girls?
Discuss.
Got pwned by a little girl at horseback riding recently Akesha?
I ponder how riding a horse can be considered equally difficult to controlling a raptor or rhino. Though carrot on a stick cleared up a lot of those questions for me.
Quote from: Dogar on April 18, 2008, 11:31:23 PM
Got pwned by a little girl at horseback riding recently Akesha?
I ponder how riding a horse can be considered equally difficult to controlling a raptor or rhino. Though carrot on a stick cleared up a lot of those questions for me.
...which begs the question, why did my wolf run faster with a carrot on a stick, when wolves are not noted for their love of carrots?
Maybe.... Becouse riding a horse was only for nobles and important people in the medieval age. And since leveling makes you more mighty, you also get famous. And when ypu past the magical barrier of level 40, Voila! You are famous enough to ride.
*shrugs*
My mommy always said I had to be level 18 to drive her car. ;<
Quote from: Kozgugore on April 19, 2008, 02:15:05 AM
My mommy always said I had to be level 18 to drive her car. ;<
And have a license, I hope :P
Quote from: Kozgugore on April 19, 2008, 02:15:05 AM
My mommy always said I had to be level 18 to drive her car. ;<
Ooops...
Quote from: Akesha on April 19, 2008, 01:28:06 AM
...which begs the question, why did my wolf run faster with a carrot on a stick, when wolves are not noted for their love of carrots?
Carrot on a stick can be used two ways:
In front of the horse/similar that wants to eat it, thus increasing the speed.
Behind the wolf/similar that fears it will be rammed up its posterior, thus increasing the speed.
Quote from: Rehbande on April 19, 2008, 12:09:27 PM
Quote from: Akesha on April 19, 2008, 01:28:06 AM
...which begs the question, why did my wolf run faster with a carrot on a stick, when wolves are not noted for their love of carrots?
Carrot on a stick can be used two ways:
In front of the horse/similar that wants to eat it, thus increasing the speed.
Behind the wolf/similar that fears it will be rammed up its posterior, thus increasing the speed.
Troo dat!
back to topic though: becouse in MMOs the horse/similar will chew your hand off if you're below a certain lvl.
Quote from: Moggrash on April 19, 2008, 01:54:42 AM
Maybe.... Becouse riding a horse was only for nobles and important people in the medieval age. And since leveling makes you more mighty, you also get famous. And when ypu past the magical barrier of level 40, Voila! You are famous enough to ride.
*shrugs*
In medieval Europe (unlike Japan) there were no laws against anyone owning a horse. It is true that the average peasant could never hope to own one, but that is down to the expense of buying stabling and feeding one. They are costly animals to keep and only the wealthy could ride one.
The point is however, the limitation here is wealth, not fame, social status or martial prowess. Now, your average MMO charges you a large amount of gold for your mount, so why have the level limit as well?
The answer is obvious of course .... game balance. My point is though, that game balance is often not thought through and leads to unrealistic situations. Some of you might have played the Diablo-clone, Sacred. In Sacred you can get you first horse almost straight away. As the game progresses and you gain levels and money, you can buy faster and better horses. I wonder why no MMO has yet followed this model.
Yeah, but other then that, Sacred was a rather poor game. Anyway, looking at games in such a way, perhaps not mounts, but Age of Conan will certainly follow much more of a develepment path then most other games do.
Its all that walking untill 40 that bugs me.
Still got blisters.
generally I think travelling is used as a time sink to prevent people progressing too fast - hence many simple quests involving zero difficulty but large amounts of 'take this message to Mr X, half a continent away' followed by 'thanks, but really Miss Y on the other side of the world should see this' and finally, 'ok... take this reply back to Mr X who will give you another message to take back to the first person and 6 silver pieces'. Not to mention the fact that mounts, especially flying, make many quests a hell of a lot easier simply by virtue of being able to outrun most mobs you don't need to kill - thereby enabling you to quest without having to waste time evading/fighting trash in the way.
City of Heroes/Villains makes a big deal out of giving you fast(ish) travel early on with an upgrade a few levels later. unfortunately the game, while fun at first, is exceedingly repetitive and boring after a while (even when compared to other grind fest mmo's).
as for carrot on stick working for wolves... well, you could beat the wolf with the stick. but i think beating wolves should come with a severe health warning. alternatively, the wolf may be chasing the rabit that tried to eat the carrot.
Might the reason be military disciplin?
The method of humbling the warrior to run run run until his feet bleed, and when he's feet are hard as steel he finally gets rewarded with a mount?
Haveing a mount gives respect, so thats why you have to wait before you get one. Thats the same reason as there are no level 10 epics.
*shrugs*
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Sorry, derailing the topic..
But I agree with the it stops you from getting places too fast, though I doubt I'd have the patience with a character who doesn't have some kinda of speed increase these days, currently levelling a hunter and shaman, nice and easy travel compared to running everywhere in plate like poor Kargur had to.
the could lower the lv yes and the price maybe lv 30 and the training for 50g mount 10g that would be resoneble right?
Needs more Cowbell.
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It surly do!
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Mounts at 40.
So casual adventurers can't get them. I STILL own Koz heaps of money for mine. Its all about putting you in your place - the casual gamers are doomed to walk for all eternity and get utterly thrashed in any PvP situation, whereas high levels are doomed to be identi-kit and come to the horrible realsisation that most high level stuff is all about gear rather than skill...
Mounts represent the evil capitalist inetent of all the NPC traders in Azeroth. You get a horse (finally,. after years of grinding and selling junk to vendors) - you pay an exorbarent amount to the stable master (More money for NPCs), so now you are marginally faster, meaning you can advance faster (More money for NPC vendors etc.) and do more quetss (I.e. housework for NPCs)
makes you wonder where all that money is going...
Mounts. Corrupters of the naive
I will reply to this question with another question. What does a level represent?
I have always seen level based systems as flawed right from the start. The leveling system is a rough representation of power that - when challenged with proper Role Playing - is bound to create unrealistic situations and paradoxes.
So my answer to the initial question is that ANY game that chooses the leveling system as its core advancement system is bound to have a level limit for such things as riding horses, going through a specific door, wielding a specific dagger and/or drinking beer... :'(
The best system I have seen in a computer RPG is the elder scrolls series - however I can see how this could become silly in an MMO what with all the repetition and all. I feel that until there is a system that offers PROPER game mastering (As in pen and paper RPGs) we will not see a solution to this problem.
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